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Rob Nelson's avatar

I really like Community Notes as an example of the relationship between expertise and democracy because I think the idea that complex algorithms, including large AI models, might be used to organize digital platforms for democratic purposes is intriguing. This could work democratically only by making openness and transparency paramount, and having experts explain the mechanism rather than obfuscate and prognosticate. Thanks to you and people like Danielle Allen, Audrey Feng, and Henry Farrell, I can see the potential.

I have always found James Carey's description of Dewey and Lippmann's exchange of ideas as a debate misleading. As you say, they ended up agreeing on just about everything, including that technocrats should be accountable to democratically created publics. Although in my reading, "The Public and Its Problems" is as pessimistic as "The Phantom Public" about the prospects for democratic politics. Both writers were liberal democrats working through pressing political questions in an age of rising authoritarianism and social problems emerging out of the ways people use new social media for political purposes. Hmmm....sounds vaguely familiar.

Dewey's criticism of Lippmann's two books in the 1920s is about the relationship between technocracy and democracy, specifically the tendency for experts to exercise political power as a class or interest group in ways that advance their interests over and against the public interests. The gentle way to put Lippmann's argument is that the public should defer to experts because the masses don't know enough to make wise political decisions. Less gently, decisions by experts should not be subject to democratic political institutions because democratic politics are corrupt and irrational.

After their exchange in the 20s, they agreed that a social order based on finding "planners and managers who were wise and disinterested enough" was, in Lippman's words, "as complete a delusion as perpetual motion." People writing on the internet often think Lippmann got the better of "the debate," but that is only true if you ignore the history.

The real story of their partnership was not Dewey convincing Lippmann that he was briefly wrong. It was their ganging up in the pages of The New Republic to attack Galtonian expert social scientists like Lewis Terman, who were trying to convince the public that IQ tests were a "scientific" way to identify and create an intellectual ruling class.

That story and more can be found in Tom Arnold-Forster's "Walter Lippmann: An Intellectual Biography," just out from Princeton University Press.

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691215211/walter-lippmann?srsltid=AfmBOoqVUs51cpaIdfwzYcoY_OuZ4lMLIOnZUf90wzxIPF5BlTx0udod

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Kenny Easwaran's avatar

I think I’ve interpreted “of, by, for” differently than you. I think of “of” as saying who is being governed. In basically all systems, it is the people who are being governed, so there is nothing distinctive of the “of” from Lincoln. The distinctive things are really the “by”, indicating who is actually in the positions of power, and the “for”, indicating whose interests are being taken into account.

I take the technocracy/populism axis to be one based on whether the “for” or the “by” is more important. Technocrats emphasize the importance of governance that works in favor of the people’s interests, and that often means empowering certain kinds of experts to make sure the policies that are implemented actually succeed in helping the interests of the people. Populists emphasize the importance of ensuring that no special interest groups have power, even if that means that there’s less information available to ensure that the enacted policies do what people say they want them to do.

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